What a bike can look like after riding the Dempster in the pouring rain….this is from July 9th 2011. Have fun 2012 adventurers to the North! 😉
What a bike can look like after riding the Dempster in the pouring rain….this is from July 9th 2011. Have fun 2012 adventurers to the North! 😉
Brilliant ride! Curbsyde Productions. I follow these guys when I can…top notch videos and of course unbelievable rides.
My dream job!
Really like this picture
Cheryl and her Sour Toe Cocktail certificate from the Downtown Hotel in Dawson City
Look at what Cheryl is looking at……too cute this little squirrel was
To be Continued! 🙂
Depending on your web browser you can search the archives or find the calendar on the Home Page and click on the highlighted dates. I posted almost everyday and the BLOG started in April. So, just FYI for those who have emailed me and asked, I thought I would just put it out there that all previous posts links with all the pictures etc can be found on our Home page by looking at the Archive months or by scrolling down to the end of the page to the calendar and take it from there.
Hopefully this makes sense and helps those out that are having issues with navigating this BLOG. Any questions or comments please feel to post them here to help others out as well. Thanks! Advgrrls
We thought it was going to be much higher.
Total for 44 days is: $2447
Thanks so much for everyone’s support and great comments!
August 16th 2011
We went to Western Powersports in Langley to pick up our bikes this morning. Funny thing is the manager did not know we were coming. Communication issues we guess. I tried to inform the dealer what we thought needed to be looked at and more about the stalling concerns. So, hopefully while the Tigers are at the dealer Triumph will want them to break down the bikes, see what got worn, fix the stalling, and then service them etc.
I am not too optimistic that the bikes will be returning to our house but I have been surprised in the past. I mean, Triumph did loan them to us in the first place right?
In any case, we are back on our Beemers and in the end we are just happy we have bikes to ride. We would love to continue to ride the Tigers because after we rode our BMW’s home it was clear the road comfort and size of the Tigers appeals to us more now than ever. As Cheryl says in this video you are about to watch, “we have outgrown our 650’s.” Not about brand or who is better, about class of bike, size, power and comfort.
***Maybe I will video and take pictures of our BMW pick up day! After all, this is still part of the post report isn’t it?***
It is unknown if we will become the owners of the Tigers we rode for 44 days. They will be dropped off at Western Powersports in Langley, BC so the bikes can be looked over, hopefully get the stalling issues rectified and maybe Triumph might even learn a thing or two as to how the bikes really held up throughout our adventure.
I hope they can check things like the chains, sprockets, cables, our air filters most likely are quite dirty again, fluids (all seems OK), wear and tear in general.
We hope by the end of the week there will be a better understanding of the cost to us if we were to buy these bikes. The offer has to be a good one because the cost of this trip overall was high but well worth it.
Anyone thinking of traveling to the north need to be prepared for high prices for gas, food and some lodging options where there are no options. For instance if you ride the Dempster or Dalton your choices are slim to none for safe housing and that comes at a cost. We will be posting our expenses soon, but by all means many can do this trip a lot cheaper than we did. Due to the weather being so wet we did not camp as much as we wanted to. Having said that many would have just sucked it up and set up outside anyways.
So, hopefully we will get our BMW bikes back today and only time will tell if Cheryl & Leslie will own the Tigers which we found to be just a great all around bike.
First picture of us after we arrived Deadhorse at the end of the Dalton Highway. Picture was taken by Ray Jardine, our new friend from the road. Ray is a well known inventor of the rock climbing tool called the “Friend”. Google his name, great adventurer and neat guy.
August 14th 2011
By Cheryl & Leslie
After riding the Tigers that were loaned to us by Triumph Canada for 13673 KM or 8496 Miles we both feel confident that we have an informed opinion. We spent 44 days on the some of the harshest roads we have ever ridden on in BC, the Yukon and Alaska.
This bike was truly put through an average ADV rider’s trip. No magazines, no professional photographers, no back up team, we are not professional riders or reviewers. We are normal hard working grrls who commute to work every day and try to get in one decent trip per year. We ride on the street a lot but also head into the back woods on forestry roads and some that would be considered ATV like.
Like we said in our first review we do not beat on our bikes. They are an investment and we try to take care not to dump them while definitely having a great time. This is why we ride dual sport bikes, we love getting off the main roads and find one’s that we can be by ourselves.
Let’s quickly talk about the obvious stalling issue we had throughout our trip. If you were following our ride then most are aware our bikes randomly stalled when the bikes got down to 1200 RPM’s. We still to this day cannot figure out the root cause so Cheryl learned that in order to finish our trip if she opened the throttle just a bit while tweaking the throttle cable and sort of tightening it the bikes would start and not stall for an unknown period of time. We also let the bikes completely reset before making any adjustments to the throttle cable. We tried while on the road disconnecting the batteries and doing a complete reset of the bikes which appeared to work for a few days but the bikes ended up stalling throughout the rest of the trip.
Both bikes had exactly the same problem just at different times. Triumph tried to get the bikes “fixed” while we were in Anchorage and we thank the Motorcycle Shop and Triumph for doing their best but it only lasted until we got to Skagway. To reiterate, we learn to live with this stalling and are not aware of a fix yet but we are confident Triumph is on top of this and should be rectified as soon as possible. Our thoughts are that the Throttle Position Sensor is involved and has nothing to do with the integrity of the triple engine.
Despite the stalling problems we think the world of this bike.
OK, so enough of the stalling issue.
The TIGER XC:
Cheryl LOVED the bike the moment she got on it. It took me about 2500 KM until I realized this was a very capable bike on the road. By the time we got to Dawson Creek from Maple Ridge we both agreed ergo’s and seat comfort (we had the Triumph gel seats) made this bike way more comfortable than our 2010 BMW F650 (798)GS. It is obvious the seat on the Tiger is wider and allows the rider a level of street comfort that surpasses the BMW well known plank seat. BMW saddle is more narrow, almost dirt bike like and does not make for a comfortable street touring seat.
In reality Cheryl and I look for street comfort because we work 90% of the time. The Tiger, with the gel seats, rubber inserts out of the pegs creates a very nice riding position. Initially I thought I was riding a sport bike with my knees higher than I was used to, but it didn’t take long to realize that with the rubber inserts out, my seat adjusted on low we were both able to really appreciate the peg position, handle bar location and we eventually both fit nicely in the “cockpit” that never seemed to tire us.
The Tiger felt much bigger than our 650 at first but then began to feel lighter and easier to handle. We noticed the 21 inch front wheel right out of the gate. Both really like the feel the larger front tire give the bike on and off road. Our Beemer’s have a 19 inch front tubeless tire compared to the Tiger’s 21 inch tube. The British have done something really well with the Tiger, although the width of the bike is greater than both the 800GS and 650GS, the tank is up top versus below the seat on the BMW’s, this bike in the end feels lighter and more balanced than our Beemer’s. Not sure how they did that but this Tiger never felt heavy. The Tiger is less nimble, but again street comfort and the eventual obvious off road handling that we had to do up North makes this a very versatile DS mid size bike.
The Tiger looks very similar to the 800GS but when you see them side by side they do not look as similar as one would think. We like the idea that both headlights are on while lights are on low. Good visibility. We had the Triumph fog lights on our bikes. We ran them on all the time for more visibility and they did their job. We would love to see Triumph as an HID version of their fog lights. The Tiger looks beefier than the 800GS, wider and more substantial in looks. We like the looks of both bikes but because the Tiger is a little heavier and when sitting on the bike your butt is better supported on the seat, we favour the Tiger on road stability and comfort.
The Triple engine is incredibly smooth at low RPM’s and high. The 94 HP engine cannot even compared to our 72 HP BMW. The Tiger to us feels most satisfied at about 6000-6500 RPM’s but having said that the fuel economy goes drastically down when riding this bike the way it really wants be ridden. We notice a drastic change in gas mileage when we had to slow down due to road conditions. We would try to keep the bike in and around 4500-5000 RPMS when we needed good gas mileage. Example: Speeds of over 110 KPH with RPM’s over 5000 we would sometime use over 6 litres of gas for every 100 KM. If we dropped the speed to below 110 and hovered the RPM below 5000 we could get at times 4.9 L per 100 KM. Such a HUGE difference. So, use the power on the Tiger you will pay the price at the pump. Not a deal breaker but this is something we never noticed on our Beemer’s.
The bikes low end power is easy to handle riding off road. The throttle is easy to control where as the Beemer’s we have the throttle is snatchier. You do get used the BMW’s touchy throttle though like anything else. High gear power is insane. Passing in 5th the bike easily powers through anything. Never once did we feel as though we needed to down shift to pass those bike rigs on the road. There is plenty of power in the higher gears.
When the bike decelerates the muffler makes a pinging noise. Cheryl and I have decided we love that little Triumph noise that others complain about. Does not bother us at all.
The engine is quiet, smooth and powerful.
Here is a list of some of the roads we did up north:
Robert Campbell Highway, Dempster Highway, Top of the World, Dalton Highway, Denali Highway, McCarthy Highway & Cassiar Highway. Those are the major dirt roads we got to experience in the rain and very rarely sun.
Between our tire choice the Heidenau K60 Scouts, the bikes and maybe the riders, the Tiger handled every road situation we got ourselves in famously. Well balance, easily controlled the Tiger won our confidence after the Dempster. After that all other roads became almost routine and as our riding skills got better out of sheer survival because of all the rain we rode in the Tiger became our life line. No issues at all with the throttle control, power and even at slow speeds the Tiger is one hell of a bike to ride. The tires need some air time because there were many opportunities for the roads to slice, puncture and just wear the tread out. Our K60’s lasted the entire trip and we will still have tread life left on them.
Here they are on August 11th 2011 at the end of the trip
Although we did not cross over river beds or hit too many “jumps”, the suspension was able to handle the rocks, craters, pot holes and frost heaves that we encountered. I think we both bottomed out our front forks maybe once after hitting what we call a crater in the middle of some road. The centre kickstand annoyed me as it would slap the under carriage on rough terrain. We even tried to use a bungee cord to help hold it in place but that did not work. Perhaps heavier duty springs could be used. The Tiger suspension with the pre load and dampening plug adjusted to meet the weight of our gear and luggage, smoothed out even the roughest roads. Quite impressive for stock suspension.
We LOVE the Tiger. It meets or even surpasses our riding needs and wants. The level of street comfort is huge since that is what we ride most of the time due to work. However, there is no doubt in our minds that the Tiger is indeed a true mid-weight DS bike that we think has created a class of its own. It is really hard to compare this bike with the 650 or the 800GS bikes because it just feels like a better rounded bike. The BMW’s lack that street comfort, even our 650GS which is supposed to be the street version of the GS family. Initially I thought the Tiger was just that, a beefed up street touring bike but as we stated in the above, this bike has been on more rough roads than we have ever been on before this Alaskan Adventure and shows off road competency and confidence which will impress most average, not hard core ADV riders.
We wish Triumph would add an on/off ABS button and make the dash more user friendly by adding a toggle button like BMW. I really find the manual sequential button controls still annoying after all these KM’s and the lack of temperature gauge also bother me. I would add a nice CLOCK 4 Bikes gauge if I kept this bike. (Saw the in Anchorage while staying with Gary & Deb on their bikes)
As Jesse’s reputation goes we stand by this luggage set. Top loading, great latches, waterproof and durable. The mount that Al Jesse has created for the Tiger is awesome. Have a look.
You have to add a muffler extender but this is easy to do as Jesse send the extension and clamp with the mounts. It just pulls the muffler further out so the mounts and bags can fit closer. The Jesse luggage is lean and tight to the bike. The design helps with any drag that can easily be felt by other brands of luggage. No drag and if balanced you hardly even notice they are on the bikes. One thing we found out, you need to watch the weight on the top of the side cases and when we strapped our dry bags on top of the gas cans we had initially the latches came loose and would open up. We just changed the location of the cans and that put less stress on the brackets. We used Rok straps and you can really pull them tight.
Adjustable Touring Shield:
This is a great accessory and can be fitted to the rider and riding situation with ease and it works. We would like to see Triumph add an aluminum bracket to help stabilize the shield a bit more. Also, that bracket could be used to locate your GPS or SPOT. The shield shakes too much when off road. We would keep this shield if we owned the bikes. Looks stock and does not look at of place. Great job there Triumph.
We have read reviews worried about the lack of coverage for the oil filter. We were concerned about that too but throughout this trip our sump guards got whacked but who knows what so many times and still looks great. Our filter never got damaged. Could be luck but we would keep the guard too because it is a substantial piece of metal and seems to have decent coverage.
Great, looks good just should be quick release. Ours got sand blasted and I am not sure it will ever be the same clear plastic it was before we left.
Another decent Triumph accessory but we would like to see Triumph add a fairing protection too. When you have no luggage on the bike if dumped the fairing could easily get damaged as the engine guards would not help up top.
Awesome and the fact that Triumph allows the rider to choose between two height settings as well as a low or regular height seat makes this bike more appealing to shorter riders. We have heard that the gel seats will heat up to the point of burning your butt but we did not ride in too much heat to see if they would ever cool down. The bikes did sit in about 30 degree C for a few hours one day and when we got on with our KLIM pants on we did not feel they were overly hot. We would keep the gel seats. Never once if you read all our updates did we complain about butt pain.
Other accessories we added:
Touratech front fender riders, 20 mm handlebar risers for Leslie’s bike and Touratech kickstand extender/foot print.
ALL necessary and not expensive. We would keep them all!
Kriega front fork seal protectors:
Worth every little penny to protect such a vulnerable part of the bike up north. Nothing more to be said, they worked and are so easy to install and cheap.
Worked really well almost 100% of the time. User error when it didn’t. The phone app and connecting to Blue tooth can be fickle at times but once you get used to it…it works! Love the text message/emails i could send when out of phone range and that was often! Battery life was OK, but I heard there is a firm ware update that may help with battery life. have to check that out. Love this little device. Great way to keep family in touch with tracking as well as the public. I give this an “A”. Subscritions not cheap though, SPOT should offer a bundle package.
Zumo 660 – 2nd year with this GPS. Still ticking after all the dust, rain and other elements. Glove friendly and very handy. On this trip for some reason it missed so many campgrounds. Also, we noted that we saw many Harley’s and other expensive car GPS models and even saw one guy use a zip lock bag to try to get his dry. We wonder if you spend that much on a bike why not buy a proper GPS?
Triumph ADV boots. 100% waterproof, breathable, comfortable just one thing, when riding on the pegs for hours like we did on the Dempster the foot beds of these boots could be considered a little thin. As for everyday riding and not 1000’s of KM off road requiring standing these are perfect for most riders.
We brought many pairs of gloves.
Gerbing Heated gloves – used them about 90% of the time. It was cold and wet. Although the outside of the gloves would get wet we never truly felt our hands get wet by the time we stopped for the day. I treated them with Nikwax leather stuff before we left. Cheryl’s right glove gave out by the end of the trip. These have a lifetime warranty so I will be sending her glove to Washington to get fixed. Overall, life saver for us as we did not have the Triumph heated grips to help out.
Triumph ADV gloves
Great for cool days, waterproof and comfortable.
KLIM ADV vented gloves
Not waterproof but gave us good ventilation on the days we could wear them
KLIM Powerxross glove
Waterproof, wind proof, little protection but comfortable and do what they are supposed to do, keep you dry and relatively warm.
KLIM Traverse – Perfect suit for this trip. We never ever got wet and were able to vent well when needed. This suit is really perfect for more of the dirt bike rider. Lack pockets and needs vents on the arm, not just under the pits. KLIM is coming out with the Badlands and Latitude suits this fall and they look like a home run for street/off road riders. More pockets in the Jackets and more abrasion material. However, since we HATE water proof liners, KLIM is our gear of choice probably for as long as we continue to ride in tons of rain and in climate weather. Love the Gore Tex outer shell water proof protection.
We have been wearing LDComfort under gear and for 2 years now. The under gear keeps you warm and cool, easy to wash, comfortable, looks relatively new after all this wear and tear. Great stuff and again will be a part of our gear set up always. Great wicking ability too. Secret to this underwear is not to wear real underwear under it. Just a thought!
Cardo G4. Overall we are satisfied with this system. They survived huge amounts of pouring rain and they are not really considered to be completely water proof. The voice activation and at times trying to hear one another can be annoying as the mic has to be exactly in front of your mouth at all times. Voice activation is fickle but then again could be because we put these things through hell. Easy and quick to charge, long use time too. Highly recommend. You can also pick up local radio stations if you have it set to roam, listen to music via Bluetooth, answer your phone if necessary and pair with another 3 sets.
Simple, we need warmer bags if we were to camp out again in the cold that we experienced up in the north.
Mutha Hubba tent is a great three season tent. Kept us dry in pouring rain, easy set up and break down and still looks brand new. The foot print was used and appreciated.
Cheryl has the Arai Profile and Leslie has the Shoei Qwest.
Cheryl loves her Arai, light and airy. My Qwest is not that bad but a little heavier than I like, it is quiet but not as quiet as the Arai.
The inverter came in so handy when we had no power at a camp site. Never once did the Triumph battery seem to be negatively impacted by charging our camera, intercom, computer batteries. I would rotate bikes but would fully charge at least our intercoms to make sure we were good to go on the road. Great little addition to long distance riding.
In the end, we LOVE the Tiger XC even with the stalling issues and all. The engine was sound the entire trip, the chains did stretch very fast, not completely sure why, but in the end many have asked….would you take the Tiger over our BMW and the answer is still YES!
Feel free to ask any questions or post comments!
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August 11th 2011
Videos coming later!
We left our little retreat Loon Bay Resort and our cute little cabin that we spent three nights in unwinding. Before we left our cabin neighbours had to take our picture and off we went at about 0900. We knew right down the street from the cabin we would head off the pavement right away and take the Bonaparte Road to 70 Mile house. Great way to start the over 500 KM trek home. No cars, no people just Cheryl and me and cows!
So common to be riding on this stuff after this trip I can even one hand it while taking pictures. Still being safe but our riding and confidence has gotten better and we are not talking about being cocky riders now. We are just much better off the pavement.
There are many lakes in this Interlake Region of the South Cariboo. The more we explore our own Province the more we know we are lucky and privileged to live here. There are thousands of roads like this and more challenging ones too. We could spend the rest of our riding careers just playing in our own backyard.
Got to 70 Mile House just in time. I had to pee and of course by now after being up for hours I was starving and even Cheryl was hungry. I think I average about 5 hours of sleep per night. Cheryl did better than me but I lost count how many times she had to poke me to stop snoring. Maybe I need to be check for sleep Apnea?
This is Joan. The server, the cook, bus person and hostess. Joan had us sign her guest book and wants us to put a shout out the the Show and Shine folks. Joan wants to host a Show & Shine at her motel/restaurant in 70 Mile House. Good food and once Joan warms up to you she is very funny and friendly. Stop by her restaurant and say hi if any of you are in her neck of the woods.
Back to the road with our guts full and now we were heading to the best road ever the Kelly Lake road right near Clinton, BC. We took this rode home last year after we got back from riding cross country but then headed down Highway 1 to home. This year we stayed on 99.
We used the Vibrant setting on the big camera….what a difference!
Heading down the beautiful Kelly Lake Road, full of hair pin turns and great views descending down to the valley.
Back to highway 99 and pavement for the res of the way home. What a way to ride home though. We never did the Bonaparte Road but have done the Kelly Lake last year. To get off the main road is EXACTLY why we ride DS bikes. It is an awesome feeling to not only beat the traffic but to get views only a few bikes will be able to see.
A bunch of travelers from Calgary, Alberta on their way to Tofino which is on Vancouver Island. Nice to see a woman part of their “gang”. Nice folks and we both hope you have a safe and enjoyable trip of our great Province of BC.
After you pass Lillooet there is a little bridge that crosses over a Salmon spawning stream.
Other than the traffic the part of Highway 99 from Lillooet to Pemberton, BC was probably the road with the most curves in it that we have seen the entire trip. Leave it up to BC to have all the fun roads.
Unfortunately the camera battery went dead without me knowing it and the ride into Vancouver through Whistler and North Vancouver was not captured. Might just have to go back someday and take the pics we missed and add them. Sorry about that!
We left June 29th 2011 in this
Returned in sun and 26 degree C.
As we pulled up an got off the bikes our neighbour Adrienne was out with glass of wine in hand to help us out with the end of the trip home picture. We were both like, well…..we did it! Let’s have a beer!
Starting mileage was
TOTAL MILEAGE for this 44 day trip was 13673 KM or 8496 Miles. Doesn’t seem that much to me but I guess if you consider the type of roads we rode maybe it is a lot? Seemed like more. We will have to make the next trip longer I suppose.
The Heidenau K60 Scout rear still alive after all that sharp rock roads and really no signs of out of the ordinary wear. They did far better than I even expected and as I have said before, this will be the only tire we use.
So, 44 days later we are home. To us this was a truly an adventure will will never forget. The scenery, the people, the opportunity to ride Triumph Tigers compliments of Triumph Canada, the fun factor, the weather, the live report from the road, the trials and tribulations, the accomplishments all mean the world to Cheryl and myself. Many have done grander trips than this one but for us this was HUGE. We set out with certain goals and the only one that we did not reach was Inuvik. We do not regret not going on that day because of our concerns about the weather, but it would have been nice to achieve all the goals for this trip.
We can now say we have seen almost all there is in Alaska and we even got to see the summit of Mount McKinley. One of the 30%. We tested the new Triumph tiger 800XC in an endurance way and in a way that we ride. On and off pavement. We did not cross river beds or single track the bikes but for the adventure rider in us these bikes are a true ADV bike. Comfortable and competent. Those are two words that stick in our minds. Over the next day or so I will try to put together our final review of the Tigers and talk a bit about our gear and expenses.
As for the gear, remember we talked a lot of about the rain and cold but never once did we even mention that we even got wet or cold on the bikes. A little hint as to how we feel about KLIM and our Gerbing.
Thanks to Triumph Canada, Western Powersports and also ACT-Autism Community Training. Not too late to donate to our charity ACT. We rode this entire trip raising awareness for Autism and we met so many touched by the spectrum. Even $5 would help. Please consider donating to such a worthy cause.
Thanks to the thousands of viewers and subscribers from around the world. This was awesome to have so many people follow our ride from around the world!
Finally we want to thank Taylor and Dave for not only running our house for the entire trip but taking such great care of our dogs and cat. We came home and it was clear that they missed us but were not not lacking LOVE. Thanks guys! We truly appreciate you helping us out!
Until next time…..Cheers!